Tuesday, February 27, 2007

EXCLUSIVE: You Know Who's Baby mama and son!





You Know Who is a big name rapper who had a secret until now. This is You Know Who's baby mama. She currently lives in Trinidad where she's from but she travels to the states to work as a model. Her Myspace page is www.myspace.com/shenelle1 but it is set to private. The baby mama bears a striking resemblance to the rapper's girlfriend who knows all about the baby mama and her son.

On her Myspace page, her profile motto is: "It takes courage to leave a position you consider safe, The Purpose of Something determines its nature, design and features."

Can you read between the lines?



This is the young Prince that you've heard rumors about. You Know Who paid his baby mama "over $1 million" to keep his name off the baby's birth certificate.

This is who she's dating now. Hey, he looks like that kid from B2K - hehe ;)



More pics on tha otha side...

Once again, thank you to my source. I have much respect for you for putting your personal and professional relationships on the line. You did not have to go that extra mile to do this but you did. Anything you need, I got you! To everyone who has secrets: don't burn your bridges with gasoline drawers on!

To all of my loyal readers who remained patient while I got the confirmations and photos from a member of You Know Who's family. This is legit and 100% confirmed. And to my haters: see you bright and early in the morning. Ha! Thank you and goodnight!!











300 comments:

Lexi Marie said...

I am slow ..Who is you know who?
Jay Z ?

nikki said...

I guess it is Jigga? Mos Def? I dunno. Very interesting to say the least. Thanks Sandra

Anonymous said...

Who is the baby daddy? I have no clue!!!

Anonymous said...

no not jigga man

Anonymous said...

I am sooo confused. Who is this? Big named rapper? And he really does look like LIl Fizz from B2K...but I dont know who the big named rapper is! That kid is too cute to be Jay-Z's son

Anonymous said...

Who is the baby daddy? I can't read between the lines? Who is the daddy Sandra, do tell?

Donnie said...

After waiting about 8 hours.....I don't have anything to say about it...i feel like one of those people who waited in line for 3 days for a PS 3 and found out it didn't work for my PS2 games....all the wait and I can't do crap with it.....thanks for the exclusive though Sandra....next time don't tell us, the anticipation was nerve recking....

Yellow said...

i stayed up till 1240 and i still don't know who the hell it is..

Diddy?

Jigga?

Anonymous said...

WHO ?????? JIGGA ? I THINK ITS JIGGA LOOK AT THEM EARS LOL THAT CARTER NOSE

Linda said...

I'm wondering to is it Jay-Z?????

Anonymous said...

Damn Sandra.. I don't know who this lil boy resembles.. Help a sister out.. I have waited patiently!! :) LOL

Whoever it is. I can't believe he actually kept it quiet this long considering he is some big rapper..It would appear that it's chump change. Damn

Anonymous said...

Am i missing something? I'm not actually sure what the significance of this is??? I'm confused... Oh well...

Anonymous said...

Isn't this the chick in the excuse me miss video with Jay-Z? Ya know, the chick in the elevator? I think?

Anonymous said...

sandra i love the site, keep doing what u doing. this baby look like one of diddy's kids?

Anonymous said...

diddy? wasn't he supposed to have like 2 additional baby mama's besides kim and misa?

Anonymous said...

Is this what you kept us up all night for. If it is the son of Jay z then good for him. I don't think he looks anything like him. However, I do think she is an idiot for settling for a million bucks when the child support alone would top that. If the celebrity girlfriend is okay with it, who are we to judge. Just ask your girl Tiny. By the way I thought you said the celebrity couple had broken up. I am very disappointed but I guess I have no one but myself to blame.

nikki said...

A few more observances/questions; how many videos have we seen this girl in? Why is Lil Fiz looking high on all these pictures? Why would she go from Jigga (if its him) to Lil Fiz? (I guess its b/c she is a video chick and money is all the status that she needs. Lastly why are we refering to this person as "You Know Who?"

Sandra Rose said...

Come on y'all. The answer should be obvious. He looks like his daddy spit him out. And who does she look like?

Anonymous said...

This is not nearly as exciting as I thought that it would be:

1. Who in the hell is You Know Who?
2. How old is the child; if the child is seven, then it Is not that big of a deal. If the child is three, now that a hot story
3. I am more interested IN why that dude looks so much like that kid from B2K

Anonymous said...

how in the hell is this exclusive when we dont knw who you are talking about? this was a waste of time, you showing a pic of a child that dosnt show anything i can see if the child was posing with "you know who" or even the chic that you are showing!

Donnie said...

This is like a paternity episode of Maury, with us guessing who the father is..."LOOK AT HIS NOSE AND EYES, THEY LOOK JUST LIKE HIS"....On the real I think it is Jay though, they were just talking about this at another Blog and they said it was him....The girl looks like B in the first pic with the curly weave...she kind of favors Tracy Edmonds, but we know it can't be Eddie because he wouldn't claim it if it was his ...lol

Anonymous said...

OK let's think about the hint she said this chick looks like the "rapper's girlfriend" She don't really remind of Ashanti but the little boy looks like Nelly! Maybe I'm reaching...what y'all think?

Sandra Rose said...

Most of you have already guessed correctly. Goodnight!

Anonymous said...

DAMN that's the exclusive I been waitin for all this time, too bad that was old news to me, still love and respect your craft Ms.Rose. And yes it is Jay-Z, S.Carter,Jigga,Hov,yeah that's his son.

Anonymous said...

If it is Jay-Z then the girl sure doesnt resemble Beyonce..all light skinned girls DONT look alike lol...

Lexi Marie said...

Sandra. She does not look like anybody. And the little boy is cute. So Jay Z can't be the father. :)

Anonymous said...

come on people...stop looking at the child and look at the mother. who does the mother look like. you answer that question and you will know who the dad is

Anonymous said...

That baby look like Nelly.

Anonymous said...

She looks familiar, i think she use to be in a couple of videos, I'm kind of pissed this was the news, i just knew she had some pics of somebody creeping or something.

Anonymous said...

so it's either diddy or jayz!!

Anonymous said...

Ok...I have a Bacehlor's degree in engineering, but I guess I'm not smart enough to figure out who this relates too. I'm squinting my eyes looking at the pics trying to see if I can figure this crap out. HELP!!!! I'm sleepy and I can't rest until someone gives me the official answer on who the heck this little boy belongs to!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I think it is sad that you would go as low as to post a childs picture on this site to stir up a reaction. It is a child! Posting the women is one thing but posting a picture of her child is another thing. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Donnie said...

and it just said 1 million to take it off the birth certificate...that doesn't mean whoever the daddy is isn't taking care of it....but Sandra, "We don't believe you, you need more people!!!!"

trisha said...

I think it is Usher's baby. Am I correct, Sandra?

Anonymous said...

Sandra a lil hint I think its jigga ? is it

Anonymous said...

It is Jigga we are talking about here, there's been rumours about a child goin around a long time now.

Anonymous said...

ya'll check out the nose.the chick kind of flavor Bey. i got five on it, i say it's jay's

Anonymous said...

I heard about this awhile ago, so this is not late breaking news of Jay-Z secret love child... She was in Jay-Z's Big Pimpin video the chick with two long pig tails in the video...

So she got her younger lil boo now, B2K, he looks like her younger brother....lol

GAGirl said...

I must admit Sandra...I am stumped??!! I keep looking at all the clues..."the girl resembles his current girlfriend"..."big name rapper"..."the picture of young prince (who is absolutely adorable)"...I got nothing. A sista need alittle more help with this one!

Who ever he is, that's a VERY COSTLY BRIDGE he burned.

Great pics and scoop too!

Anonymous said...

I'm going to throw my hat in and say T.I.? The kid looks nothing like Sean Carter.....

Anonymous said...

Ok Sandra!!!! Is everyone else picking up on all of the hints (ads) that you left around the pics????
Beyonce this, Beyonce that!

Ding Ding Ding I win the prize!!!!!
Send a shout out to KY-Peach!!!

Anonymous said...

she could be kim or beyonce. she's actually pretty, but a little slow to get only over a million. Can't be diddy's cause he most likely would have taken care of his kid. the little boy is cute and well all know that jayz is NOT!! maybe mediatakeout.com will so ahead and say who the daddy is

Anonymous said...

Its obvious that it is JayZ but is that the dude from B2K

Anonymous said...

Well to be honest he looks like Diddy's son Justin. She looks like Ciara and Bee, but I agree with the fact that he is to cute to be Jay z's....although he does have the big nose like J. I don't know. I am delirious at 12:57.

Sandra ima need u to do better. Give another hint pleeeaaazzz!

Anonymous said...

wasnt a damn thing exclusive about this

Mona said...

I thought she had pictures of usher creeping with that spanish/black chick from NYC

Anonymous said...

Thats all Jay Z look at the mouth!!!

Anonymous said...

It's NELLY!!!! Notice how Sandra posted right under the person who named Nelly and said there was a correct answer! Come on Sandra just confirm who's answer is right!

Tyisha said...

Wow this was worth the wait now I can go to bed.

Anonymous said...

Nelly. She does favor Ashanti a little and the lil boy looks like he could be his son. LOL this is fun and frustrating at the same time. I love mysteries.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone think that this chick looks like Beyonce

Anonymous said...

you should really take that childs picture down! and so what how is this our problem who child it is, I dont think this famous rapper is sleeping next to either one us at night for us to care about, if its usher,jay,ti,or diddy, thats something there mates have to deal with not us

teesha said...

i am guessing jay z. the girl kind of looks like beyonce. i thought you were going to post something on puffys other baby mama with his "other" little girl. the little boy is too cute to be jigga's.

Anonymous said...

lol I just caught something...so if this is a recent picture of the child-Jigga had this child while he was with Beyonce and she is still with him! hmmmm.....great relationship

Anonymous said...

@mona
I was thinking the same thing

H-Town Chick said...

It's got to be Jay-Z. What other rapper has a girlfriend that "resembles" this woman?
Kanye is engaged, 50 is gay, Game..no comment, Common...not sure who he's with. I don't think it's Diddy...well maybe it could be. But for sure Jay-Z

Anonymous said...

WOW, I can't believe that people are so stumped. I knew from the first sentence.....thanks Sandra this was so worth staying up late.......

Anonymous said...

The Trinidad Guardian -Online Edition Ver 2.0
Shenelle Scott is best remembered as the girl Jay-Z discovered when he came to Trinidad and Tobago in 2000 to shoot his Big Pimpin’ video. ...

www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2006-06-24/Womanwise/wwise.html

Anonymous said...

Its Usher . I know for a fact is usher . And the girlfriend is not Tameka!

Anonymous said...

I THINK it is Jay-z's cause I mean really diddy takes care of his kids, nelly takes care of his daughter but one mysterious rapper who is known to have messed around with Karinne "SuperH**d" Steffans without a condom? And still doesn't have any kids and has been in the industry for like 10 years? It's gotta be.

Anonymous said...

FOR THOSE WHO R SO SURE ABOUT WHO'S THIS IS, INSTEAD OF THANKING SANDRA FOR THE HINTS, JUST TELL US WHO AND THAT YOU R SURE!!!

Anonymous said...

Sandra just said half of us guessed the right answer and most of us said Jay Z.

Anonymous said...

It's J, I pulled up a pic of him on gettyimages and compared the two...thank God for her, I just hope he stays cute, cuz his daddy..mmmmm, mmm, mmm...good nite

Linda said...

Hey to those who still trying to guess the child is Jay-Z's. And like someone else stated she was paid over a million to TAKE his name OFF the birth certificate. So I'm pretty sure she is taken care of. But the little boy is cute.

Anonymous said...

This was posted on 7/4/2006 on Lipstick Alley. Your EXCLUSIVE is almost a whole year late.

Anonymous said...

Sandra's statement that they guy she's dating is from "B2K" is kinda suspect for my answer "B" or "BK" Brooklyn, huh?

Anonymous said...

Thanks Sandra for the info.. Needless to say, it was still worth staying up for. I'm sure we will have lots to debate over tommorow.

My personal opinion.. It's a flip between Jay Z or Nelly. The lil boy resembles both.. With the nose and the stare.

The chick resembles either Beyonce or Ashanti.. Hands down.. Nobody else..

I am going to go with your little hint (motto).. Jay Z.. he is doing all that crap for cars, hp, etc..

Am I right? :) :)

Anonymous said...

This BM does not favor Beyonce in my opinion. However, she does have Beyonce's swagger in these pictures. Therefore, I am going to agree with the majority and say Jay Z is the baby's daddy. Also, the nose sorta gave it away(LOL).

Cute kid though, I wonder how old he is now. Sandra?

Anonymous said...

Maybe its not Jay cause Sandra would have really said more,but i havent heard of Nelly having a baby
Diddy and Jigga
maybe that why Bey got the good Bday gift Mil on a car, 40,000 dollar chairs ?

Diddy had a chick in the ATL with a baby they say

Tara said...

IT'S JAY-Z, THIS IS NO EXCLUSIVE. I WONDER IF BEYONCE KNOWS ABOUT THIS? THAT IS SAD THAT HE FEELS A MILLION DOLLARS IS WORTH A CHILD. THE LITTLE BOY IS CUTE, I'M GLAD HE DIDN'T TAKE EVERY LITTLE FEATURE FROM HIS DAD, SHAWN CARTER!

Anonymous said...

"Linda said...
Hey to those who still trying to guess the child is Jay-Z's. And like someone else stated she was paid over a million to TAKE his name OFF the birth certificate. So I'm pretty sure she is taken care of. But the little boy is cute. "

A million dollars is not that much money to be "taken care of". However, its says that is how much she was paid to take his name off the birth certificate. He could be paying her some type of child support in addition to that million plus. Either way...who cares! That child had nothing to do with this and should not have his picture on a website as a way for the website owner to get attention. Stop involving children. Its sick.

Anonymous said...

okay i went to the trinidad site and read it, she said in there she left with Jay in 2000 and was in a relationship with him for 2 years, well she didn't say his name she said a big rapper. Jay and Bee did Bonnie and Clyde around the fall of 2002. And the plot thickens, on his diary for mtv awhile back someone asked if he had a baby on the way he looked kind of stupid and then said no

Anonymous said...

IT'S SHAWN CARTER EVERYBODY, THIS IS A WELL-KNOWN FACT TO INSIDERS, LIKE MYSELF. SANDRA YOU HAD ME THINKING THIS WAS GOING TO BE A HUGE THING AND IT'S THIS, LOL.

The Bay Area said...

Jay Z's baby mama... I'll be damn.....Wow...what they will do for LOVE!!! God bless & Good night

Anonymous said...

U SEE HOW THERES A LINK NOW ON THIS PAGE TO A PAGE SAYING ITS JIGGA SONS

Smokie said...

I can't believe anyone is stumped. If you are, you're a disgrace to gossip sites...;-) Of course this is supposed to be JAY-Z's son. Why is there even a difference of opinion...? The clues, the picture, Sandra Rose's obsession with all things Beyonce. (I share this obsession.)

This wasn't really supposed to be a blind item or anything.

Anonymous said...

ooh it is lil fizz from b2k thats all i can tell you .. but i unno who that kid looks like and i unno who his baby daddy is.. i wouldnt be suprised if it was Jay z tho

MzCLO said...

That dude in the pic IS Lil Fizz formerly of the R&B group B2K.

2bme said...

It's Jay-z..Sandra said a SECRET until now..it wouldn't be Diddy because different clues would have been left as well as it being said that she resembles his GIRLFRIEND..how the hell does she look like Kim?..the nose is a dead giveaway

Anonymous said...

I'm going to go with Nelly, that lil boy to cute.

Anonymous said...

On the real, I think he belongs to Bow Wow, simply because he has too much to lose as far as his rep goes. Yeah he young, but these days age aint nothin, but a number.

Anonymous said...

I luv luv luv Jay-z and all but umm if this is his kid... he really needs to step up and take responsibility. I mean he's always talking about how it was for him to not have a father growing up... I guess the apple don't fall too far from the tree what a scumbag. I mean if other rappers can step up and take responsibility for their actions why can't he?

Anonymous said...

^^^agreed

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
I luv luv luv Jay-z and all but umm if this is his kid... he really needs to step up and take responsibility. I mean he's always talking about how it was for him to not have a father growing up... I guess the apple don't fall too far from the tree what a scumbag. I mean if other rappers can step up and take responsibility for their actions why can't he?"

Where did it say the father wasn't taking care of his son? I must have missed that part...or is that an assumption ????

Anonymous said...

Well I mean if you can't admit to the world that you have children why have em. If you're sitting up here denying the child the simplest thing like your name on their birth certificate that's not taking care of anything that's embarassment.

Anonymous said...

http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2006-06-24/Womanwise/wwise2.html

Hey Chico's and Chica's, copy and paste this page to learn a little more about Shenelle Scott.

KY-Peach.

Miracle said...

TI?????? He's "the King". So that would make the kid the "Prince"???? If I'm right, just wink twice, Sandra! ;);)

Anonymous said...

What have we come to in America...it all points to Sean Carter, which we knew from the beginning. But this is late info, almost a year. Also mediatakeout is reporting B and Jigga are over, and there's FIZZ on myspace with her pic in his top 10, and her finally saying she was in this relationship. I wouldn't go as far and say he wasn't taking care of it, he just didn't want his name on the birth certificate. I actualy thought you would have a pic of Diddy and his baby-momma and child! Sandra your slippin, share something we don't know.

Anonymous said...

everyone this is jay-z's baby this is the girl from the give it to me video that cam was going to expose jay on the tour. after jay she started dealing with nas and jay sent her away. the money does not mean he doesn't take care of the baby. he just did not want it out there. JAY handles his bi.

Anonymous said...

hmm the girl in the pictures and the girl in that link that was just posted in the comments doesnt look like that same girl or she looks old as hell in the article. i like the pictures on this site better...lol

jujube said...

Where did it say the father wasn't taking care of his son? I must have missed that part...or is that an assumption ????

^^^ I am assuming that since he paid her to take his name off the birth certificate, basically so he would not have parental responsibilities like child support, that he is not involved in this child's life.

Anonymous said...

I went to the carribean site to read up on this girl and whatever critism you give to Jay (assuming that it is him and that this story is true) you have to give to her. Never in the article does she mention that she had a child with "the rapper". She also states she was scraping by after leaving "the rapper". I mean if you are getting a million plus, don't lie about being on hard times. I wonder which of "you know who's " family gave you these pictures. Sandra, all I can say is I hope you have a good legal team. Btw take the child's picture off the site. This is low even for you.

Coo Coo Caviar said...

that little boy has Nelly's bone structure, but he looks just like Diddy's son Justin when he was younger. But that "young prince" typed in bold looks like a clue...could he be the heir of the "King of New York",which is undisputably Jay-Z? I'm confused! All the aforementioned men mess with the same chicks anyway, ain't no tellin...

Miracle said...

I don't see Jay-Z in that kid. Am I missing something. He doesn't have any exaggerated features.

OK the "Prince" can be a play on "the dynasty" thing... Or maybe that isn't even a clue at all....

Anonymous said...

yeah sandra you want to do something exclusive. do a story on how diddy had a baby just recently by sarah his long time girl and she name baby the girl sean. she was pregnant the same time as kim.

Anonymous said...

"^^^ I am assuming that since he paid her to take his name off the birth certificate, basically so he would not have parental responsibilities like child support, that he is not involved in this child's life."

This is still an assumption. Just because the fathers name is not on the birth certificate doesn't provide proof that the father is not taking care of his son. Sandra's write-up said nothing about the father not taking care of his son. Like I said maybe I missed that part.

People taking info and running with it.

2bme said...

Trust he's giving her financial support it would be too easy for her to go child welfare and request back child support. Even if she signed a contract not to mention his name or have him added as the father in lieu of the money..doesn't matter..it would be the state(country)against him not the mother, child's rights take precendence over anything..the only way out of it is if Jay signed away his rights for his son..., however that wouldn't be smart either because at the age of 18 his son could get it overturned and all monies accumulated would be rewarded...it's in his best interest to keep it quiet for now(his choice) and still pay, because he will end up paying in the end...

jujube said...

There is no proof that he is taking care of him either. We really don't know for a fact that this is his son, only DNA can really prove that. If he is the father, why would he hide the fact? He was not really in a serious relationship. This kid looks older than the time he has been with Beyonce.

Miracle said...

That little boy does look like he can be son of Diddy, but..

The baby mama bears a striking resemblance to the rapper's girlfriend who knows all about the baby mama and her son.

That woman looks NOTHING like Kim. My money is still on TI. But she does look a little like Beyonce did at that Sports Illustrated release party.

Anonymous said...

Ok. Look at the reflection of the kid in the mirror. He is tall and could easily pass for a kid in the 8-10 yeas old category. Is that why J didnt want his name on the birth certificate? Because he was banging an underaged chick....like his former friend Kells. Yeah...I can bet money on this. That kid is not 4 years old.

Anonymous said...

"There is no proof that he is taking care of him either. We really don't know for a fact that this is his son, only DNA can really prove that."

Correct. That is why I didn't reference Jay as the father in my post. I don't personally know if that is his son so I wouldn't post that. Some people just doggin' him out when they don't know if the child pictured is his son or if the child is if Jay is financially supporting his son.

Anonymous said...

sandra this was real bold of you to put this little boy on your website. this is directly from the mama not no relative. that is a shame that she is trying to market herself and her clothing line at your expense. i hope you know someone will take action. goodnight i had enough real risky shenelle.

Anonymous said...

It's jay'S baby. Go to smokiesays.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

sandra you are going to wish u said no thank you. y did you leave my other comment off i know this is shenelle's doing.

2bme said...

>>>>this website is putting words in your mouth..u betta check em..smokiesays.blogspot.com..is it really that serious?

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but there is nothing exclusive about this news. That child is Jay and yes her met the girl on the Big Pimpin video shoot.

He fathered a child with her but refused to acknowledge him publicly and therefore attempted to buy her silence whilst preparing himself to start pursuing Beyonce.

That kid has been raised by family in London. Jay has been paying that girl very handsomely in return for her silence but he does not have a relationship with his son. I know this for a fact. Beyonce should run a mile, she can do so much beter than Jay Z

Anonymous said...

IT'S DEFINITELY JAY Z THIS IS THE GIRL IN THE BIG PIMPIN VIDEO WITH THE PONYTAILS. I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THIS A FEW YEARS AGO.

Anonymous said...

akon'S baby

Anonymous said...

Look at Sandra getting everyone hype for this. From the clues she drop, the person is Jay Z. The baby doesn't look like Jay to me. The girl only resemble Beyonce because of her hair style.

This is some gossiping mess. If this girl had an arrangement with someone to keep their name off of a birth certificate and took a million dollars for this then I don't understand the problem and why she is talking now. Maybe the million dollars ran out.

Maya said...

It's Jay Z baby. This chick resembles Beyonce. You can tell it's not Diddy because she looks nothing like Kim Poter and his secret baby momma lives in Atlanta.

I also belive that just because he paid her not to put his name on the birth certificate does not mean he is not breaking her off on a constant basis. I'm sure that little boy is well taken care of. Look how big he is and this is the first time we are seeing him. Home girl is getting broke off something proper. LMAO!

Nelly and Ashanti never offically came out as a couple so he has nothing to hide.

Anonymous said...

So what if it's Jay's baby? That is between him and Beyonce. As the kid is not an infant...it's old news. If B is cool with it...it ain't our business. He ain't the first cat to have a kid with someone else and he ain't last.

Thought it was going to be the breaking news of Beyonce attending the Sport Illustrated party where everyone was exposed to Hepatits A...that is a story.

Anonymous said...

I cant see the resembelence maybe im blind. But if it is his child thank goodness he dont look like him.

All day yesterday sandra I thought you were gonna have pictures of diddys atlanta babymama and pictures of the baby he had with that girl last year before kim had the twins lol I just knew thats what it was

this is a shock I wonder what jay is gonna have to say when he wakes up this morning and after all that shit he talked about not having his father around and he leaves this child in the dust.

damn shame

Anonymous said...

If it is Jay's son the only thing this proves is that Beyonce and Jay hava a relationship, in relationships s#it happens

Sharif2 said...

I don't know about this. From years of listening to Jayz and hearing him speak he seems really family oriented. I couldn't believe in a million years that if he had a kid he wouldn't acknowledge him.

I don't think this story is true. However, if it turned out to be true my perception of Jayz has already drop substantially this would make it hit rock bottom.

Eventhough honesty I don't think Jayz would not acknowledge his son. And I think if that really was Jayz kid she would be singing it from every mountain top for the attention it would bring. This story is about as fake as Beyonce's tears at the Oscars and her smile at J'Hud on Stage.

If Jayz and Beyonce were married and had kids of their own...I could go for a story like this. I don't think anybody could deny their first born..flesh and blood..for anything or anybody. Especially when you have no reason to.

I just don't believe this story...But if it it comes out to be true...He's a disgusting person.

Anonymous said...

I have the slightest clue on who this can be. Sandra you keep saying the chic looks alot like his current girlfriend. If this is suppose to be Jay Z child that girl looks nothing like Beyonce she looks like Ciara to me. The child looks nothing like Jay Z. So can you give us some more hints or just say the Damn name PLEASE...lol

Anonymous said...

I believe it is Jay's son, the hypocritical thing about it is that he dotes/adores his nephews, writes lines in his raps about them even the one that got killed in the car accident(song with Chrisette Michelle). He songs about his father not being there for him, Jay ain't no man he a bum.

Charmaine said...

200 for baby momma and son ALEX.........who is shawn corey carter?

THAT WAS ON POINT SANDRA...so this rumor was true years ago..just the baby momma was wrong.

I guess Beyonce was singing about herself in "ring the alarm"! ROFL

Anonymous said...

It's gotta be Jay Z. First I thought Diddy cause he look like Diddy's oldest son (not from Kim Porter), but the "babymama" favors Beyonce, so it's gotta be Jigga! Man I love some Jigga, but if this is true, he will be losing a fan in me!

will1991 said...

If this is an old pic I think I have a pretty good guess. The rapper baby daddy had a lil short term beef with the new boyfriend....and yes that is Lil Fizz in the pic. The girl in the pic looks like Ciara...anyway she wears her hair. The lil boy looks like Bow Wow....especially when he was younger and even more now that he's cut his hair. Ciara and Bow Wow have never publicly said why they broke up. Cheated with a stripper? No...he just says he messed up and Ciara won't really say why. Even though they broke up she still respects him enough to keep his secret safe but it was probably bothering her so much that he was keeping himself away from this child that he KNEW was his....and he was hiding it from the world. Thats enough to make any woman leave a man.

wisdom said...

S dot Carter YOU ARE the father...lmfaooooooooooooo The momma's complexion is right up is alley of skin flavor. He got caught out there without a condom screwing a video trixen, oops, vixen. That lil boy needs to be raised by his father and I am sick of all these hypocrite black men whining about their absent fathers when all it takes is a measley million dollars to deny their own blood. I can't believe a so-called man would be more interested in perserving his image to deny his son, only to latch on to his girlfriend's nephew for the sake of publicity and promotion. God does not like ugly and he has never fawned over pretty!

Anonymous said...

The little boy is adorable.

gbspeach said...

The little boy looks just like Jay Z and the girl is very pretty. She looks a little like Beyonce'. I guess if the story is true 1 million dollars was her price.

Anonymous said...

It is Jay-z. One of my girlfriends went out with this girl and her cousin a couple of years ago and she told (the cousin) told everything. How J knows about the little boy. How Bey acts like she is J when she answers his phone when the BM calls. How J didn't want to own up. If this is the same chick in the Big Pimpim video,...that's her.

I put everything on it.

Anonymous said...

Watch "big pimpin" video

Anonymous said...

Honey and you call this exclusive??????????? this is BORING!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I am disgusted with whomever the rapper is, I don't give a damn if they are paying child support obviously none of the mentioned rappers in the posts are acknowledging him and that is low down. And furthermore, I wouldn't even date a man who doesn't step up to the plate to take care of his first priorities and I'm not talking about financial wise only.

I wonder what state the baby was born in? Unless they have changed the law, you can put a child's father down on the certificate of birth the piece of paper you receive from the hospital that you keep as proof of birth until you file for an original birth certificate. But, unless the father is there with a photo ID, the father's name will not be on the birth certificate anyway. If that were the case I could have a baby tomorrow and put Denzel Washington as the father.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
"There is no proof that he is taking care of him either. We really don't know for a fact that this is his son, only DNA can really prove that."

Correct. That is why I didn't reference Jay as the father in my post. I don't personally know if that is his son so I wouldn't post that. Some people just doggin' him out when they don't know if the child pictured is his son or if the child is if Jay is financially supporting his son.

Feb 28, 2007 2:50:00 AM "

Who made this post?? "That is why I didn't reference Jay as the father in my post" "I"??-is that you Sandra posting anonymously?

Anonymous said...

Why would Jay Z keep a child a secret? In that Amil song "4 Da Fam" from like 1999 he said in the lyrics that he was having a child. In another song he put out later (that I can't remember) he said that the girl had a miscarriage. This doesn't sound like a man who has a problem having a son. Then Jay and B have only been together for about 3 years and this child is a toddler, so why the secret?

Anonymous said...

I think that it's Diddy's baby because he kind of resembles Diddy's other son, Justin. Just a thought!

Anonymous said...

I need a paternity test and reciept for that $1 million cuz I don't Jay would so that to his son. What does he have to hide especially if his girl knows? So I need real proof...sorry!!!

Anonymous said...

That little boy is standing on something. He does not look 8-10 years old. More like 5-6 years old.

Whoever the daddy is.. He is a dead beat, because what TRUE man pays off the mama to keep things hush..hush.. It just shows the true character of a person how they treat their kids.

Stand proud.. Jigga

Anonymous said...

hey, if it's jay's son (and i've been putting their pix side by side and they do resemble) - i want more info as to if he looks after this child, spends time with him etc. if he doesn't - jigga ya foul after all that telling ur own dad fuck u very much and so on on songs....

however if the only reason you didn't want the connection made was to secure your son from possible kidnapping etc (then sandra please take the boys pic down cause trinidad aint no joke they would cop that kid in a sec...)

if i was the babymamma i won't even sweat the secrecy that much cause if 100% sure my son will be paid. and i am glad she continued to make strides for herself and i hope she invested her 1 million wisely...

and all i was coming on here to say was that i wished it were me...lol.

Anonymous said...

That is why it never fails.. what you do behind close doors WILL come to light. It's simple.

He is a LOSER and if this is true (which I'm sure since our homegirl Sandra has left so many damn clues) he has lost all respect. What a damn fake. That is cold-blooded.

B doesn't have a winner.. He is a LOSER. Let God's favor shine on the little boy.

2thick4u said...

Damn...this was news to me. I hope that Jay Z is taking care of his responsibility. I know that he is if he obtained a DNA test from her. Celebrities give people hush moneyy just to be quiet, even if the shit ain't true. As far as, she looking like Beyonce, they look nothing alike. Just becuase they are light skinned and thick around the edges mean they have the same similarities not they look alike.

Charmaine said...

i tell you what though...i wouldn't have taken no "free me" cash so he can keep his name off the birth certificate. N***a its your child..claim him! Naw..Jigga was gonna claim him..f*** that. I'm assuming that she had this child before the Beyonce era..he looks between 5 to 7 yrs old.

this whole situation seems shady on both parts. BUT I LOVE SOME JUICY NEWS!!!ROFL

Knighton said...

I would have to say that child belongs to NELLY or LL Cool J, but he looks more like NELLY.

Anonymous said...

That can't be TI's son because Sandra is too cool with Tiny to put him on blast on her site. Also, TI is a proud father who takes care of all of his kids and even his girlfriend's child who isn't his so I don't think he would deny one now. Plus that girl looks NOTHING like Tiny.This is probably Jay's son.He's the only rapper that you have never heard about having a child But I think it's wrong to have this little boy's picture posted on all over the internet.

Anonymous said...

IT IS THE D.I.D.D.Y's

This baby momma looks like Kim just a lighter version. Look closer people. If you think back on Diddy's other boys, you will see they resemble each other. And if you saw the resent pictures of Justin that included the with some little girl gridding on him, you will see how much Justin and this child look alike, not too mention his and Kim's son Christopher.

Diddy is who I see looking at this child.

Anonymous said...

Sandra and Bloggers, why would Jay Z pay someone not to admit he has a child? It's not like he is married. This makes no sense to me...I hope that boy grows up to sue his ass.

Anonymous said...

chick looks nothing like beyonce to me but i can see jigga.

it aint nelly fools. nelly takes care of both his kids.

Anonymous said...

the baby kinda resemble diddy's son justin, but their is no doubt that this is jay-z's son.

Anonymous said...

All I'm sayin' is..... if it's verified information, put the rapper on front street.

2bme said...

Ok Sandra, we all realize you CAN'T say who is is...however you CAN say who it ISN'T????

Anonymous said...

"Who made this post?? "That is why I didn't reference Jay as the father in my post" "I"??-is that you really know what is really going on. I guess its entertainment at its best.Sandra posting anonymously?"

No, "I" am an anonymous poster just like you. Just laughing at folks taking information and running with it. From the little info Sandra provided as an exclusive folks know its Jay, say Jay is not taking care of his child, etc... It's kinda funny when no one really knows what is going on. The sad part is a childs picture is posted on a public site with discussion like this around it.

africanqueen said...

Sandra, you are on it gurl! Yep, Jay Z has a son! Wow, cute kid, I would have never thunk he would produce a cutie! Wow!

Anonymous said...

Remember a million is not a lot here in the states...but out there her and her child would be well off!

Anonymous said...

So do you think the rumors about him being at the hospital was about this little man? I mean he is not that old.. He looks around 4-6 at the max..

Damn Jigga you are a fraud!

Your ass is on blast now.

LOL..cutie looks more like his daddy with the cover up.. hehee :)

Miracle said...

I don't know how he can pay to keep his name off the birth certificate. I'm not sure how old the kid is, but years ago they made it so that a woman can't just put a man's name on the birth certificate. Now the man has to sign the paper stating that he is the father and give consent to have his name put on the birth certificate. If the father isn't present, it's left blank.. Maybe the million was to pay for her silence, or for her not to seek a DNA test. He probably figured it was cheaper to pay her the 1 million up front, instead of the 10,000 or more a month until the kid is 18. If that's the case, she's a lame too.

Anonymous said...

Definately looks like NELLY. How do you not see the resemblance.

Anonymous said...

we all know Sandra Rose is a hater for obvious reasons...

But what would anyone have to gain from keeping some celebrity's name off the birth certificate. Unless she doesn't want to be hounded by the media, but obviously that's not the case here since "Baby Mama" supplied many pics and called herself a model, seems like she is trying to drum up some popularity for herself.

Lastly, why would 1-million dollars buy her silence...is she that stupid. If this is supposed to be Jay's or Diddy's child...they are worth much more then 1-million dollars, and they could have amassed much more than 1-million in child support payments..for example...Misa Hylton Brim (Justin is 12 now, in the remaining years until he is 18, she will get approximately 1.4 million in support) HELLO!!

Sincere said...

Yo, y'all niggas truly ain't ready for this "Dynasty" thing
Y'all thinkin "Blake Carrington", I'm thinkin more like "Ming"
I got four nephews, and they all right in
They all young and wild, plus they all like things
And I'm havin a child, which is more frighting

From 4 Da Fam, circa 2000.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Sandra for the news...There is nothing wrong with exposing frauds.. ;) You hooked us up girl!lol

So WHY is the big question? Does anybody know why he would want to cover this up?

Anonymous said...

Sandra, I don't understand why you would get such a supposedly credible exclusive and not stand behind it fully by naming exactly who is involved. Especially given the fact that you source was willing to provide this info and can't be identified by your simply putting names with these photos. You are generating unnecessary rumors about other male rappers who will undoubtedly be pissed about being associated with this drama.

Anonymous said...

The baby is Jay-Z's, the girk even resembles Beyonce. I don't think Jay wanted to loose Beyonce so he had the chick move away. Which is soooooooo wrong, everything he is doing is going to come back on him, some how whether it happens in something or some way as his son begins to grow up.

Jay-Z is sooo wrong, and if I ever seen him I would love to call him out for it, I can't stand to damn types of daddies. Children are a blessing.

Sandra Rose said...

The rapper is not T.I., Bow Wow, Mos Def or Nelly.

chelleinatl said...

SANDRA
SANDRA
SANDRA
GURL....SMH
DO THE DAMN THING!!!
and next time just print the names you got sistha's scratchin' the weave outta their heads in confusion!!
and this chica is much more woman than Beyonce can only strive to be, her hair and her beauty are natural...IMO
and that boy looks just like his daddy... seen pic before blackstrip..yes he is lighter, and his features are not as strong as JayZ's, but, I don't need no DNA to prove another thing
Peace
Chelle

Sandra Rose said...

The "big name rapper" is not any of the following: Nas, 50 Cent, Game, Jeezy, Slim Thug, Jermaine Dupri, Yung Joc, Busta Rhymes, Cam'Ron, Jim Jones, Ludacris, Eminem, Pimp C, Lil Fizz, Bobby Valentino or Chamillionaire. It's not that hard folks.

kat said...

^^i guess that means it's Jay Z then....i dont think the lil boy look like jay z though. probably another rumor, or somebody trying to bring something out for some $$.

Anonymous said...

Shit this is why Beyonce isn't ready to marry his ass.. He must of lied in the beginning of their relationship and it came back around. B-day is about her ass and she need to stop the madness. That little boy is young.. He isn't old.. He is around 4. He ass was creeping.

That is not Diddy's child..

The obvious clues

-Trinidad
-Ole girl looks like Beyonce in Crazy in Love..the poses..resembles B to the T.
-The nose and lips look like Jay Z not Puffy
-Ole girl motto is screaming Jay
-B2k hint..

Come on people.. It's not that damn hard to see this one..

WHY DAMNIT? He needs to be blasted and I better see this on the damn news.. HYPOCRITE!

Miracle said...

Sincere said...

And I'm havin a child, which is more frighting

From 4 Da Fam, circa 2000.

That came out in '99, I believe, but I thought the kid he referred to in that song died?

"It gets worse, baby momma water burst
Baby came out stillborn, still I gotta move on
Though my heart still torn, life gone from her womb
Don't worry, if it was meant to be, it'll be -- soon"

That song is from 2000.

Anonymous said...

How in the hell is Sandra a hater when she never said who the father is?

Anonymous said...

So it's either Jay Z or Diddy..

Either way both are FRAUD.

Why? Why? Why?

Sandra Rose said...

Some of your comments are being rejected because it's easy to make claims after the fact. This is a rumor that has been talked about for years on multiple message boards and by wendy Willimas. No one owns the patent on rumors!! Until now NO ONE had seen the pics so that is the exclusive.

Sandra Rose said...

The "big name rapper" is not Diddy or DMX.

Anonymous said...

Sandra you could be making money. You might as well get some t-shirts made that say, "Sandra Rose is a hater" and "I support Sandra Rose". LOL

tosha said...

well i guess that answers the questions. BTW, love the site keep up the good work.

Miracle said...

OK, so it's Jay's kid. What's the big secret. On his part, I mean. Unless the child was conceived when he was with Bee and they're trying to save face, as usual. I don't get the point of hiding this.

BAY AREA said...

JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, MEDIA FAKE OUT, STOLE YOUR FILCKS.

ON TOP OF OTHERS...

Anonymous said...

Sandra you did the damn thing on this one.. Thanks homey!!

Blast that ass and I hope his camel joe ass will know next time that you can't hide.. We will find out partner! LMAO

Beyonce is whack for concealing that little boy existence.. Fraud heffa. Any women that goes along with some bs like that is weak

kat said...

why is the lil boy eyes covered up now?

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add I think that was the right thing to do by covering some of the picture of the innocent child.

Charmaine said...

sandra don't even say no more...if they can't figure it out..oh well!!!!

Anonymous said...

I've went to another website and got the pic of Jay Z with the cap and gown that's always shown as a childhood pic. He and this child look about the same age so I tried to compare. Unfortunately I still don't have any clue. I've lost and won a few bets about Maury so I can't call it. Find the pic and compare. The child might be older than his and Beyonce's relationship or around the sametime it started. I think he kept his name off the birth certificate for the same reasons he and Beyonce never admitted to a relationship. Privacy!
Lola

p.s. I know it says Anonymous but I don't know how the hell to sign up. lol

krysi said...

What in BURNING HELL??! I can't believe i guessed it right, and yet its still a bit surprising that even though he does have some of Jay's features he is still one of the cutest, most precious little ones i've seen since the twins were born. How could someone be so CRUEL? How do you pay a mother to tell your own son you're not his father? How does Jay Z sleep at night? How does Beyonce sleep at night? What the hell is going on!? Nas' baby mama is wack from every angle, but you don't see him dissing DESTINY and i bet Kelis wouldn't dare, not if she wants to stay married! Goes to show you the type of people they are. He's rapping bout lost ones, over business and bulls**t with a lost kid he sold for 1 million dollars and she! (pause)----lying ass heffa! She told hot 97 that "Ring the Alarm" was not a song of experience but of empathy. As if she were placing herself in the shoes of someone in a situation similar to the lyrics of the song..I guess Mama Tina designed those shoes personally. These two are really starting to get on my bad side. I know that all the lil Beyonce STANS up in here will not appreciate what im about to say next, but i have to admit----thats a bad B**ch! NO LESBO, but she is giving Bey a run for her money HONEY! Now it all makes since, no wonder everybody thought he was having a lil side of Rhianna. It was this island chick all along.

Anonymous said...

for the record...that IS lil fizz from B2K.

Anonymous said...

Sandra did I miss the pont behind this...Do you know for sure Jay Z is not claiming this child and was the child concieved since he's been with Beyonce?

Anonymous said...

who cares. I just rap music. he's not the pope. If it is J baby she could get millions of dollar by taking him to court. The Baby mother isn't doing anything so why care.

Anonymous said...

when ysomeoe is top. people on the bottom is always trying to bring the down.

Anonymous said...

Sandra you did the damn thing. poor kid. It's sad that he still loses his father in the end. Even if his mom is getting paid to keep quiet it is not fair to the kid. and what a hypocrit jay z and beyonce both are. They are some real fucken losers.

ChocolatePrincess79 said...

I'll believe this when I hear it but I doubt this is true. Just leave Bey and Jay alone. If he has a secret child so what? We aint laying down with the man. He doesnt cloth us, feed us, or buy the toilet paper we need to wipe our a$$es so what does it matter??

If Bey likes it, I love it. Whats the big deal?

If he does have a secret child what does it mean to the world?

Will it come to an end? Will the war stop in Iraq? Will we find Osama?

Sandra (although you dont care), your credibility is being called out on another popular blog site. They are saying this is old news and not the least big credible. Do your damage control girl :)

tbrown said...

Hmmmm, ya'll waited until midnight! I think was about sleep then. Wow. Interesting stuff here. VERY interesting and I, unlike a lot of you, hadn't heard the rumor before. :) Thanks Sandra!

misswatson said...

That IS Dreux aka LIL FIZZ...I worked for them for 2yrs and I know that mug anywhere...My thoughts are Jay-Z too...if its 100% confirmed, why not give You Know Who's name?

Anonymous said...

The resembles Beyonce and the little boys nose looks like Jay-Z so go figure, but he looks like his momma. But the nose is all his daddy's.

Anonymous said...

I don't always agree with Sandra but in all fairness to her, she never once gave the name of the mother or the father and she covered up the photo of the little boy. The choice is up to you to try and figure out who the father is by the clues on the post. You don't have to guess and you may not be right, but she did nothing wrong.

People shouldn't get mad because she put a nameless rapper on blast, they should be pissed because his punk ass wasn't man enough to do the right thing by his son and that includes acknowledgment and not paying someone to sweep this shyt under the rug. And for some people to think this is okay wtf? This isn't some affair that a man didn't want anyone to find out about, "This is an innocent little boy, who didn't ask to be here and his father wants to not even acknowledge him publicly?" Whatever!!!!!

And best believe this makes a difference, if this is true I be damn if I ever buy a cd, go to another concert, or buy anything from his clothing line to help him provide a nice life for himself but doesn't even acknowledge his son. No he doesn't pay anybody's bills on this site but guess what the consumers who buy his tickets, cd, and clothing line helps pay his bills.

What real woman with empathy and compassion would go for this? If it's true and she knew this I have lost ALL respect for her too.

And Sandra already stated in a comment above this was already talked about, she didn't say it was breaking news. The pics may be exclusive but she never said she was the first one who put the story out there.

yolanda said...

Is it Bow Wow?

Anonymous said...

That baby looks just like Nelly---is that who the baby daddy is. And the girl kind of resembles Ashanti....hmmmmm

Anonymous said...

And Sandra you need to be in jail because you are always putting a gun to someone's head and make them click on your website!! *rolls eyes*

Anonymous said...

YBF calling your stuff old news and no creditability.

Anonymous said...

Its Diddy! There was a rumor going on about this last year. Damn Diddy know how to make them babies

B Nice said...

That is Jigga's son hands down. He got his eyes, ears, nose, and lips. He is a cuter version of Jay.

ChocolatePrincess79 said...

Wow @ Anonymous who posted @ Feb 28, 2007 1:09:00 PM

Who said it was "ok" if this is Jay's child, for him to treat the child this way?? I dont believe anyone said a man not taking care of his child or paying the mama off was ok, we just said it was simply "HIS BUSINESS" and no one elses.

And second of all, if this chick allowed Jay to pay her off to be mum then thats on her not us. Thats how she chose to handle "HER" business.

I dont see what you are so riled up about. Not buying his cd's, clothing, etc..is your perogative but its not like the man killed anybody.

Who else do you have in your music collection? Im sure if you found out the dirty secrets of each and every artist you've ever supported you wouldnt buy any music.

Anonymous said...

yAnonymous 1:09 I agree 100% with you.

These folks talking about what's the big damn deal..

It's a huge deal.. What morals do you people have? This is a little boy who has every right to be acknowledged.. He isn't a damn car you can pay off.

Anonymous said...

Its Jay-z..they said so on the other blog... Are we really surprised... The dude has no morals whatsoever...

ChocolatePrincess79 said...

Anonymous @ Feb 28, 2007 1:30:00 PM

I'll speak on behalf of the "whats the big dealers". If this story is true, of course we feel sorry for the child b/c all children deserve to have both parents in their lives (if the parent is alive)...but whats the exclusivity of it all? Does this make Jay Z less talented or something?

Heck look how people keep saying Janet has a secret baby that was raised by Rebbie Jackson..this is the same thing. Who cares? Thats them folx business.

I have great morals, but I also have the "who gives a damn" mode in my body if its non of my damn business.

krysi - yes the same one said...

I agree ^^^^^^ " you are always putting a gun to someone's head and making them click on your website!! *rolls eyes*"

why the hell are people acting like they are so upset with your website and yet they still provide you with so many profitable hits a day.

TO ALL READERS

If you do not appreciate the posts on the website of SANDRAROSE, maybe you should appreciate the posts on YOUROWNS**T! I'd like to believe that it bothers you just that much, but its hard to verify when you keep SHOWING THE PHUCK UP!

To sandra : YOU DAT FIE!

From Krysi j. Gainesville, (FLAWDA) aka home of the REAL champions!

Anonymous said...

This story came out about almost a year ago, and it's definately Jay- Z! It was suppose to be before Beyonce', but if it was when they were together he should be man enough to step up and take responsibility!! He's a grown ass man, how can he pay a woman to take his child out of the country and not deal with the situation that he got into? Is he so ashamed of having a child that he don't even wanna claim him? His career would not have been messed up because most people seem to like him. After hearing about this, sad to say but I've lost a little respect for him as a person.

Anonymous said...

I guess we differ in opinion on celebrity business.

Celebrities are paid for their talent, their business.. good and bad.. and if I'm help supporting their asses it is my business. They need to retire, because it costs to be in Hollywood.

The reason why this is a big damn deal is because this man told the public he wanted kids.. Why not just say I can't wait to be the family man or something like that.

I mean why lie??.. The big damn deal is he is a damn liar.. This must be important to you too..because you commenting just like the rest of us folks.. a few times actually.. ;):)

I can't stand for someone to portray themselves like their shit is clean when it isn't.. Hell look at Bobby. He isn't frontin..He know his shit stinks.. Back child support and all.. LOL

Anonymous said...

and by the way.. the mama isn't at fault.. If the man don't want to be involve then you can't make them.. Hell she doing like anybody else would.. Getting money to take care of her son.. If she was a gold-digger she would of been outed his ass.

Can't knock her hustle.. He has outed others for his own damn hustle.. (Karmen, NAS)

Anonymous said...

and by the way.. the mama isn't at fault.. If the man don't want to be involve then you can't make them.. Hell she doing like anybody else would.. Getting money to take care of her son.. If she was a gold-digger she would of been outed his ass.

Can't knock her hustle.. He has outed others for his own damn hustle.. (Karmen, NAS)

LadyTopaz! said...

Now we know why J&B never did the nuptials ... she had to get over it (she's probably still working on that part) ... furthermore, we now know why he was hittin' Rhi Rhi -- once you go W.I. you never forget it! LOLOLOL I'm from Trini, I can definitely say that ... LOLOLOL :-)

As well, the article in the T&T Guardian said it all -- thanks to the poster who put that up ...

Quite frankly, it's just a part of life, has been since the beginning of time ... I'm a product of one of these relationships and therefore can't hate either party ...

Peace and love to you SR ... keep doing what you do, it's quite entertaining.